It seems fruitless to me to talk about morality and goodness ...as if that has to be agreed upon before we consider who our Creator is.

Today, morality tends to equate more with a dictionary definition of:  beliefs about what is right behavior and what is wrong behavior; or  refers to some codes of conduct put forward by a society.

Tolerance and accepting of diverse ways is what is looked at as 'good' ...and anyone who suggests differently is called a 'hater', or intolerant at best.

And there are religions that would allow certain behavior that I consider deplorable ...yet, they claim to uphold and worship their God.

Therefore, I would never want to have the discussion of good or morality as the foundation of what eventually the group would decide as a majority.  I think the Bible is the only record of who truly God is, what He has done, and what He says.